Some things don't need to be said explicitly.
Especially when you want to frame someone.
Through some ambiguous words, you can let others figure it out by themselves.
When Orochimaru heard Akihara Kagura's words, he understood that this guy wanted to frame the Third Hokage Sarutobi Hiruzen in front of the two Hokages and instinctively cooperated.
Orochimaru always knew he wasn't a noble person.
However, Akihara Kagura's level of deceit far exceeded Orochimaru's understanding; even Orochimaru had never considered that Akihara Kagura could be so despicable as to deceive even the emotions of the dead.
Although Orochimaru himself had deceived the dead, he considered his opportunistic exploitation to be somewhat noble.
But...
This matter is also beneficial to him.
"It really is interesting..."
Orochimaru didn't mind continuing this topic with Akihara Kagura and even actively cooperated, saying, "Both the previous and current Hokage Assistants know the answer, but you refuse to believe it and have no way to change it, right?"
"There is always darkness within an organization."
"However, when the source of darkness comes from the person at the top of the organization, it represents the collapse of will. You'll find that this darkness is impossible to clear away. You can either choose to leave the darkness or choose to merge into the darkness; there are no other options..."
As Orochimaru mentioned these philosophies, he smoothly began to smear his mentor under the guise of absolution: "But you shouldn't blame him. For Konoha, any cost is justified; even if he were to taint himself with darkness for it, it's only proper. Perhaps I disdain his ways and left Konoha early, but I can't help admiring the sacrifices he made for Konoha..."
"What are you talking about..."
Senju Hashirama was still somewhat unclear about the situation.
However, Senju Tobirama had already figured it out; from the seemingly ambiguous exchanges between Orochimaru and Akihara Kagura, he roughly understood that his disciple Sarutobi Hiruzen was in some kind of trouble.
Now Sarutobi Hiruzen, at 69 years old, still sits in the position of Third Hokage, holding power. During this period, Sarutobi Hiruzen has done some dark and dirty deeds for Konoha.
But...
How has Sarutobi Hiruzen managed to hold onto power for so long?
Senju Tobirama thought back to when Sarutobi Hiruzen was 30 years old, when he entrusted the Hokage position to this disciple, not expecting this disciple to have ruled Konoha for nearly forty years...
A Sarutobi Hiruzen who has held the Hokage position for almost forty years is certainly not entirely upright. Without the power of the First Hokage, he must have done some dark deeds for Konoha, which is only natural...
Only...
Sarutobi Hiruzen's actions were too extreme, forcing Shimura Danzo to defect and designing a plot to kill this little guy named Akihara Kagura...
Senju Tobirama recalled the burst of Chakra from Akihara Kagura and quickly understood why Sarutobi Hiruzen would do so, because this little guy's strength was too great, posing a threat to Sarutobi Hiruzen's power, or perhaps discontented with the dark deeds Sarutobi Hiruzen committed.
"Kid!"
Senju Tobirama looked at Akihara Kagura before him and asked sternly, "First tell me, what has the monkey done all these years? What is Konoha's situation now?"
"Hm? What's wrong with the monkey?"
Senju Hashirama curiously turned his head; the First Hokage hadn't yet caught on: "Why suddenly talk about the little monkey's affairs?"
"Brother, shut up!"
Senju Tobirama quickly told his brother to shut up, lest he ruin the image of the First Hokage for Konoha's younger generations. The founding figure of Konoha can't be known as a political idiot, right?
"You speak first."
Senju Tobirama turned again to Akihara Kagura, continuing to ask, "Tell me everything in detail. I can help you resolve it..."
"This..."
Akihara Kagura hesitated, glancing at Senju Tobirama, and whispered, "I only know one thing: the Third Hokage personally annihilated the Uchiha Clan. Using the cells of the First Hokage and the Uchiha Clan's Sharingan, he created double bloodline ninjas. After we and Danzo discovered this, the Third Hokage pushed all responsibility onto the former Hokage Assistant Shimura Danzo, forcing Danzo to leave Konoha..."
"What!"
Senju Hashirama's face changed dramatically in disbelief: "The Uchiha Clan is extinguished? Weren't they comrades in the village?"
"Brother, shut up!"
Senju Tobirama's expression turned somewhat displeased; he had known the Uchiha Clan was extinguished when he saw Team Seven, and was mentally prepared for it: "The monkey indeed went overboard with this affair..."
If Senju Tobirama had been in that position, he might also have used Sharingan for human experimentation, but perhaps more discreetly.
"This is not just overboard!"
Senju Hashirama was dissatisfied with his brother wanting to downplay the matter; he genuinely wanted to protect everyone in the village: "Tobirama, Konoha was founded alongside the Uchiha; we should not, under any circumstances, harm fellow comrades..."
"This cannot be blamed on him."
Orochimaru's lips formed a smile; he saw Konoha's political situation clearer than anyone and smoothly continued playing the dirty hand beside the Third Hokage: "Because of the Second Hokage's orders, the Uchiha Clan has always been kept separate from the village, unable to be integrated no matter what..."